This was a terrific episode to record with my friend Ryan Swafford. Not only is he a super cool guy but he’s a very sharp sales professional. In this episode Ryan talks about shifting careers, fitness, Tai Bo, and finding a selling perspective that works. Thanks for listening! Episodes are also on iTunes.
“Start your own revolution and cut out the middle man.” — Billy Bragg
“I have used Twitter for so many things, from places to stay, places to go, things to do…it feels like I’m being taken care of by half a million people. It’s like having a mom.” — Amanda Palmer
In 2008, before “crowdsourcing” was a term, Kevin Kelly published his seminal essay “1000 True Fans.” Kelly argues that members of the creative class need only 1000 “true fans” in order to earn a living. A true fan is a fan who will buy everything that an artist creates and who will push the artist in to their network. All that the artist needs to do is stay connected to the fans and keep adding value to their lives (that’s a pretty big “all”). Kelly was writing specifically about independent artists–unencumbered by publicists, PR agents, and advertising agencies–the middle-man. True one-to-one relationships between the creator and the fan based on transparency, connections, and value.
In the last nine years Kelly’s idea has “scaled up” in lots of ways. These days small business’ can also create and maintain an immediacy with their fans:
I’ve never worked with a business owner who hasn’t said “My company grew through word-of-mouth.” As the business grows the owner finds herself detached from the fans, becoming increasingly dependent on middlemen to create new connections while precious existing connections often go untended. In simpler terms, too much emotional and practical distance grows between the business and the fan.
Here’s a potential alternative:
A salesperson runs two leads a day, 10 leads a week, 500 leads a year. The salesperson sells, conservatively, 35% of the leads. 175 sold jobs. 175 fans assuming that things go well. At the very least, 175 customers who said “Yeah, we trust this person more than anyone else.” Over a 5 year sales career that’s 875 (hopefully) fans. According to Kelly’s logic if each of those fans spent $100 per year with the salesperson then…you can do the math. If they recommend the salesperson within their networks then it scales quickly.
All of this raises some important questions:
When will professional salespeople stop thinking in transactional terms and start thinking about the long-tail gain of the hundreds and hundreds of fans?
When will professional salespeople stop using the term “close the sale” and replace it with “open the relationship?”
Are small businesses owners ready to accept that engagement and value-added content are not ancillary considerations?
Are business owners willing to accept the distance that middle-man programs create between their business and their customer?
Are business owners ready to re-take control of the one-to-one relationships that they’ve buried in CRMs and file boxes?
There’s a lot of truth that “second money is the easiest money.” True fans–the ones who fall in love with you, your products, your people, your brand–they’ll keep coming back for more. But IF and only IF you keep adding value to their lives. That’s when a network, as Tim Sanders notes, creates net worth.
“I need to write a process for this…”
“I just need to re-write the processes so there’s more consistency…”
“We have processes but everyone follows them differently…”
“We need to be a process-driven business…”
More processes. More procedures. Eliminate the variances. Dummy-proof the position. Then something goes wrong and it’s back to the drawing board.
What if the process isn’t the problem?
What if your communication about the vision needs fixing?
Instead of death-by-process, I recommend Antoine de Saint-Exupery’s advice:
“If you want to build a ship, don’t drum up the men and women to gather wood, divide the work, and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea.”
“The trick would be to find which few of them had the potential for raw power, the nearly superhuman stamina, the indomitable willpower, and the intellectual capacity necessary to master the details of technique. And which of them, coupled improbably with all those other qualities, had the most important one: the ability to disregard his own ambitions, to throw his ego over the gunwales, to leave it swirling in the wake of his shell, and to pull, not just for himself, not just for glory, but for the other boys in the boat.”
― Daniel James Brown, The Boys in the Boat: Nine Americans and Their Epic Quest for Gold at the 1936 Berlin Olympics
“A happy family is but an earlier heaven.” — George Bernard Shaw
If you haven’t read The Boys in the Boat then buy a copy immediately, set aside a few hours, and dive in. If you’re from the Northwest you’ll fall (back) in love with our incredible history, the men and women who helped make us who we are and shaped where we love to live. If you’re a history buff then you’ll go bananas for the classic heroes journey: ragtag Americans vs. Nazis in the 1936 Olympics. If you’re a business owner you’ll most likely envy–on a “Why can’t I build THAT team?” level–that nine young men of no pedigree, a boat-building genius, and a quiet, visionary leader built a team that created something unspoken and remarkable. You might ask yourself: “Why don’t I get the very best from everyone on my team? Why don’t we work better together? Do we all share the same goal? Am I building a team or am I raising a family?”
Teams are performance-driven, families aren’t. Ideally, families are about love, forgiveness, tolerance, patience. Great teams have familial qualities as well but there’s something else. Teams inspire and extract the best performance from everyone. They have to if they want to win. Nobody on a winning team wants to see a fellow team member fail. Individual agendas are set aside for the greater good. There’s no question that winning teams are internally competitive, but not at the expense of the cause. The self-less dedication to a cause. It elevates everyone:
“What mattered more than how hard a man rowed was how well everything he did in the boat harmonized with what the other fellows were doing. And a man couldn’t harmonize with his crewmates unless he opened his heart to them. He had to care about his crew.”
Are you building a team or raising a family?
Do you have an inspiring, flag-waving cause?
Does your entire team work in harmony in the interest of winning?
Are performance and attitude held accountable to the highest standards?
Is ho-hum performance allowed to slide because “that’s just how they are?”
Are individual agendas or egos allowed to supersede the greater good?
Do polarized priorities subterfuge the total effort by pitting one group against another?
Do you accept less than a person’s best?
I know a few business owners who want their businesses to feel like a family. That’s perfectly fine. Those environments are usually nice places to work and those owners have their reasons (stress, effort, time with family). But if you’re starting a business, if you’re managing a team, or if you have owned a business for a long time it’s nonetheless important to have a clear picture of the culture that you’re pulling for: Team or Family?
Episode 3 – Rich Johnson
Hey there listeners and thanks for tuning in! In this podcast I interviewed Rich Johnson, sales manager for Sherlock Heating and Air Conditioning. It’s a fun interview and Rich shares his perspective on managing a team, learning to balance multiple demands, and handling price-driven competitors. Lot’s to learn and I hope you enjoy it. Matt
I’ve heard people say putting is 50 percent technique and 50 percent mental. I really believe it is 50 percent technique and 90 percent positive thinking, see, but that adds up to 140 percent, which is why nobody is 100 percent sure how to putt.
– Chi Chi Rodriguez
The single biggest driver of stickiness, by far, was “decision simplicity” — Harvard Business Review, “To Keep Your Customers, Keep it Simple.”
I don’t recommend playing golf if you have a remotely OCD or addictive or obsessive or solipsistic personality (however I do recommend playing if you’re in to self-improvement–I’ve never played a sport that is so instructive in that regard). You find yourself playing for the two or three split seconds when the club strikes the ball perfectly, crisply. Language falters at that moment. You just know it happened and that it’s gone. Then you chase the dragon and fall in love with the pursuit. For guys like me tt’s impossible to perfect.
My grandmother always said: “Drive for show and putt for dough.” Putting is hard work. And because you use the putter more than any other club in your bag it’s important to be a better putter than, say, a big hitter. I use my putter three times more than my driver. So when my putter started making a weird noise it wasn’t good. I’m already a master at bogey and double bogey golf. A funky putter wasn’t going to help.
The local pro thought the noise was from loose epoxy or something in the shaft of the club. His assistant volunteered to take the putter apart. Another pro recommended I call Callaway. His suggestion illustrated a critical point of doing business: keep it simple and earn loyal customers.
I called Callaway. The service was incredible. A gentleman answered the call on the second ring. His tone was easy, friendly, concerned, and familiar. He apologized for the problem and thanked me for calling. He sounded genuinely interested in helping! Here’s what he didn’t do: make it difficult. He didn’t ask me questions like: “Did you buy the putter from an authorized Callaway dealer?” or “Did you always keep the putter in the protective cover?” or “Are you sure it’s an authentic Callaway product?” He didn’t tell me that the putter was not under warranty or that it was no longer in stock. The CSR eliminated all of the potential friction:
“I’ll ship a new putter to you today. Once it gets there send the defective putter to us. No charge. By the way, are you ok if we send you the new 2017 model?”
A new putter arrived three days later. Flawless customer service. Simple customer service. A win-win solution.
Customer service is the crucible at which a company’s claims and missions and values are tested. Many companies talk about putting the customer first or being customer-centric. Not as many companies practice what they preach. Difficult customer service erodes customer loyalty. Simple customer service improves it significantly. When it’s time to buy a new set of clubs I’ll certainly look at Callaway. Aren’t they also benefiting from a little free press as well?
Simple service, empathetic interactions, win-win solutions, and fast follow-up. Sometimes the secret ingredients to improve service and sales aren’t that secret. Keep it simple.
My interview this week is with Karli Royce. Karli is a highly accomplished outside sales professional in the pharmaceutical world. She’s at the top of her game and provides terrific insights in to selling, exercise, and focus. Enjoy the interview and thanks for listening!
Episode 2 – Karli Royce
So I launched a podcast today. I’m in a unique position to meet, work with, and become friends with exceptional individuals both in and out of the trades. The purpose of the podcast is simple: Add value. Learn how people are reinventing sales and customer service in a modern economy. What are their habits? What lessons have they learned? How are they balancing personal and professional lives? How are they staying at the top of their game? My guests are real people doing real work in an exceptional manner. You can find the podcast here, Twitter, Facebook, and LinkedIn. It will be on iTunes shortly as well as Stitcher. Thank you listening. Please send me any feedback or critique. There will be a new episode coming in the next two weeks.
Your friend, Matt
Welcome to The Thank You Note podcast! For the very first episode of the podcast I interviewed my friend Kyle Cline. Kyle is a Director for Locke Supply and is part of of the service industry’s future. He’s innovative, disciplined, and brings a unique perspective to the trades. Plus, he’s a super good dude. Hope you enjoy it and thanks for listening!
A gentleman said something very truthful to me yesterday. “I’m going to talk to a few more contractors before I make a decision.” I asked him why. “I don’t want to make a bad decision,” he explained, “I don’t want buyer’s remorse.”
He’s entirely correct. The salesman I was with was asking to disrupt his life. Financial disruption. Time, space, schedule, people. Lots of temporary disruptions. And because the gentleman had never been through this process before it made sense. He doesn’t want to look back on the decision and kick himself. Bear in mind the salesman did an exemplary job. Still, the customer may have been asking himself :
“Is he being truthful?”
“Is he over-promising on the results”
“Am I confident in my understanding of this process?”
“Does the value exceed the sacrifice he’s asking me to make?”
“Am I compromising existing loyalties?”
“Are the recommendations improving my current quality of life?”
“What are the risks?”
None of these questions are going to be answered with a “take away close” or a “first person who talks loses” or “hand them the pen and be quiet” attempt. They won’t. Buyer’s remorse is motivated by fear. Fear is the real objection and understanding a consumer’s fear is the key to resolving nearly every objection.
Gaining this level of understanding often happens during the beginning of a sales call. Salespeople should slow down, ditch the predictable questions and stop looking for pain or, worse yet, inventing it for the customer. Have an authentic conversation about priorities, aspirations, and yes–the things that worry customers the most about disruption. Allow customers the opportunitiy to tell stories that are rich in detail. Encourage the customer to co-create the value proposition. Identify the risk/reward considerations that the customer is weighing. After all, people don’t buy products they buy progress.
People buy things because it makes them feel good. It’s that simple. Successful salespeople understand that their job has a little to do with nuts and bolts and more to do with helping customers attain safety, calm, peace-of-mind, and progress.
